We have survived two days of CES 2025

Devindra: [00:00:00] What’s up everybody, that is Devindra Hardwar, Senior Editor at Engadget.

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Cherlynn: I am Deputy Editor Cherlynn Low.

Devindra: We’re right here what is that this, the start of evening one among CES formally?

Cherlynn: I assume, yeah. I

Devindra: guess now we have already suffered via mainly day minus one. Minus

Cherlynn: one and right this moment’s zero.

Devindra: One factor I need our listeners to know is that now we have already seen lots of issues we type of know the place the CES is headed. And, I believe it is a cursed present Cherlynn. How do you are feeling about that? For all of us. For our

Cherlynn: staff. Yeah, I believe I imply, Devindra, I am going to allow you to converse to your scenario, however we have had staff members who’ve fallen deathly ailing.

We’ve got additionally, like, individuals who have utterly needed to miss their flights, worldwide flights. It has been fairly Engadget staff, however now we have a very, actually good staff of individuals. Everybody’s bought nice attitudes and, like, our spirits are excessive. Okay. You wish to simply get the stuff going. So, yeah, no, and Devindra, you may have been struggling a bit of [00:01:00] bit.

Devindra: So, yeah, replace right here is I mainly threw my again out the the day earlier than I needed to fly. So, I type of was mentally simply getting ready fly with out caring a lot and simply being very easy on my again. However, you already know, I survived. And

Cherlynn: sitting in a aircraft for so long as you probably did could not assist both, proper?

Most likely did not assist.

Devindra: Fortunately I did a wise factor and I purchased a Consolation Plus improve with my factors forward of time. And I used to be like, I used to be going to be chill on the flight and it turned out that was simply obligatory. Yeah, so CS is formally starting. We’ve got seen we have simply went via CS Unveiled yesterday.

A number of embargoes and information got here out right this moment too. You recognize, a number of the largest information we have seen. Dell’s rebrand away from its personal PC names. To Dell, Dell Professional, Dell Professional Max. There’s some new {hardware} from Intel and AMD. Yay! that they confirmed off and, you already know, simply type of a typical CS stuff. What have been the bizarre belongings you noticed, Cherlynn, at at Unveiled?

Since you have been there amidst all of the bizarre devices.

Cherlynn: Yeah, and to be clear, given Devindra’s [00:02:00] harm, we’re, we’re having Devindra keep in place the place he’s, you already know, capable of get well a bit of bit. So, Devindra wasn’t at Unveiled with me, so I’ll inform you about all these humorous issues we noticed at Unveiled.

By some means essentially the most intriguing factor thus far is the development of Placing issues in your mouth at CES Unveiled.

Speaker 3: Okay.

Cherlynn: So, now we have like, not less than two issues which can be saliva detecting units. Uh huh, huh. Or like, you set a drop of saliva otherwise you put your like, a stick in your mouth or one thing. We

Devindra: aren’t going to name this the Hawktwa CES, let’s not do this.

Dan

Cherlynn: Cooper positively not arising with a narrative primarily based round that. However the thought is that utilizing your saliva. Firms can inform how a lot cortisol or different sorts like progesterone kinds of issues, hormones are inside your Or in you, proper? And so it’s kind of to assist with burnout a bit to assist with like stress and well being after which there may be It is the salt spoon that everybody was licking at CES on day one.

That

Devindra: does not seem to be [00:03:00] thought at a, at a convention. It

Cherlynn: was so, yeah, everybody’s felt prefer it was, initially it appeared a bit of icky, however the sales space was so crowded I went over and it seems they really had like particular person disposable variations of this spoon, the salt spoon per its identify. It is a gadget that can mimic or simulate the, the flavour of umami or salt made by an organization referred to as Kirin.

Devindra: Okay.

Cherlynn: Which I imagine makes some type of condiment. That is the,

Devindra: they are a soy sauce firm. Precisely.

Cherlynn: And so, it is the concept that like, individuals wish to stay more healthy, eat higher, and never have such a excessive sodium food plan. So, however they nonetheless crave this style. We adore it. We

Devindra: love umami. Precisely. Why do not

Cherlynn: we, why do not we use electrical in your tongue?

Devindra: That’s some dystopian, I hope the story about that is the way it’s made. That may be very dystopian. That is very like, you already know, Soylent Inexperienced or one thing the place we’re probably not consuming meals, however we’re feeling these form of like electrical impulses of meals.

Cherlynn: Triggering your tongue to really feel prefer it’s tasting one thing.

Simply to really feel alive. That is horrible. I do know. I, it is, it is, you requested me bizarre. And I used to be like, yeah, that [00:04:00] is fairly horrifying. However I am very intrigued. I virtually, so I used to be type of ready in line, however it was so crowded at all times. And I had a lot different stuff to take a look at that, I did not actually get round to it.

There have been different issues, I believe, that turned up that, as unveiled, that have been very fascinating. Our staff noticed a stringless guitar. There have been, like, a couple of zillion robots that each one type of look very bizarre. After which, a number of mirrors that you may, like, stand in entrance of and scan your self. And, lastly, I believe, the Stern Pinball Machine of the 12 months is themed Dungeons Dragons.

Okay.

Devindra: Actually, simply actually hitting the nerd market completely. We did see Roborock’s flagship new robotic vacuum and that factor appears cool as a result of they only added an arm to it. Prefer it has an extendable arm that may decide up socks and small issues from the ground. And I’m actually all in favour of seeing the race between Roomba all these different firms.

I believe was one of many first to do like, okay, self cleansing. We will dump your vacuum into this larger container than the vacuum [00:05:00] can preserve going. Now all people’s doing that. Then Roomba and others individuals began doing like combo mops. And now it is identical to, we’re getting appendages. We’re getting, I believe one can climb stairs.

I noticed information about that.

Cherlynn: So Carissa is on the robotic vacuum for us, I assume. And he or she bought an opportunity to take a look at the, yeah, the Roborock I am unable to bear in mind the precise. identify, the way it’s pronounced, Safi or Safu Z70 and it now we have a video on the article on our web site in addition to on our Twitter. It is

Devindra: the Saros Z70, yeah.

Cherlynn: So shut, that was so shut. And yeah, that video exhibits the robotic’s arm type of popping out of its spherical disc like physique after which choosing up a sock that was in entrance of it. And never solely that, I assumed it might simply decide it up after which like, wipe after which transfer away and put it again down. No, it took it to a basket close by, like a laundry basket virtually, And positioned it in there.

So mainly

Devindra: we’re virtually there. We’re virtually there to actual robotic helpers.

Cherlynn: So shut. This factor may be very shut. Who knew Roborock of all firms would do it. I used to be like,

Devindra: it is a, it is actually fascinating to look at as a result of Roborock, I believe, yeah, it is a [00:06:00] Chinese language firm and these of us, like, particularly after they’re doing robotic stuff, like they’re simply barreling ahead as a result of they will make investments extra in R& D and stuff.

I need, I’ve mentioned this earlier than. I need one thing that may like unload my dishwasher,

Cherlynn: which is the

Devindra: course of that I believe like

Cherlynn: my dishwashing unloading remedy.

Devindra: You recognize load it up clear the kitchen identical to an actual rosy robotic scenario. That is what I want

Cherlynn: I imply the opposite robotic vacuum that you just’re speaking about that may climb upstairs.

I imagine is the dreamy And yeah, it is fascinating to see or I used to be like why why would we’d like a robotic vacuum that may climb upstairs? However I assume there are precise useful makes use of for the x50 robotic I do not know, man. 1, 700 only for it to, like, climb.

Devindra: I believe it is a unhealthy thought. This can be a unhealthy thought, as a result of Usually, you need your robotic to be on one ground.

Yeah! After you have stairs within the equation, then, like, it may fall. There might be all types of points. To me, that is not tremendous helpful. I have been room constructing for some time, and solely not too long ago with two flooring. You decide it up, and you progress it to a different ground when you must. In the event you’re tremendous [00:07:00] bougie, you may have multiple Roomba.

You will have a Roomba port per ground. Or you may have

Cherlynn: a budget one on the ground that does not matter as a lot because the costly one within the place that issues. And so they’re

Devindra: low cost Roombas. You may get a refurb Roomba for like 200, 300 bucks.

Cherlynn: Yeah.

Devindra: Comparatively, that is comparatively low cost in comparison with how a lot they used to value.

Cherlynn: Nicely, this one, I imply, I assume the, the shtick with this dreamy robotic is that it climbs up like a human. So it is not like form of propelling itself up in some unusual method, going up on an incline, getting his rollers. It is like, God, some type of like climbing mechanic. That is like. Bipedal? Is it bipedal? Is it like

Devindra: I’ve to take a more in-depth look.

The

Cherlynn: video appears like wild and I am in such a CES fever dream that like, I’ve forgotten what it appears like. A lot

Devindra: stuff. One other factor I wish to discuss, the TVs seem to be, it looks like wi-fi TVs are morbid factor proper now. Like LG and Samsung are absolutely doing it. All their flagships have wi-fi bins.

They are saying the lag is fairly good for gaming. I must, I must see that to see how a lot it really works. However I do assume that is ache level for lots of [00:08:00] individuals. Folks hate Wires. Transferring behind their TVs. They hate, like, if you happen to’re mounting a TV, it’s important to, like, work out the place all of the wires are going to go.

So there’s that that firm Displace, which final yr had the suction TV with the battery, which I believe I referred to as it vaporware final yr. I do not assume they really shipped any. This yr they’re again. They’ve a soundbar. They are saying they are going to really ship stuff. I do not imagine it. However, they’re again.

They’re right here.

Cherlynn: Is one yr sufficient time to see if the TV that can stick itself to your wall has fallen off but? You recognize what I imply? Like, is it time to name it protected if it hasn’t fallen off in a yr? Or ought to we give it one other yr? I do not know.

Devindra: It is my entire factor about trusting devices and trusting units, I can’t belief it.

Multi thousand greenback machine that’s simply hanging by my wall by suction cup.

Cherlynn: It is like one factor if it falls off and hurts itself, it is one other if it like takes down my wall with it, proper? Like, and my mattress and my glass desk or one thing. So yeah, there’s lots of stuff to be involved about, I believe.

Devindra: Boy AIPC remains to be a working theme this yr.

AMD was actually huge on an entire bunch of [00:09:00] new chips. They introduced the Ryzen AI Max chip, which they are saying goes to be in Halo merchandise, Halo Copilot Plus PCs. It is presupposed to be actually highly effective. It has extra graphics than their different ones. Additionally they say it does higher rendering, like 3D rendering, higher than Intel’s chips.

As a result of AMD’s graphics are usually higher. They’ve like in-built Radeon cores. So, you already know, they’re type of killing it. Intel was identical to, hey We’ve got AI chips too. They’re coming to gaming desktops. They’re coming to different issues.

Speaker 3: Yeah,

Devindra: they’ve core PC, core AI laptop computer chips that will probably be coming to gaming laptops as nicely.

So, that is a factor. You recognize, the benefit of CES is that you may see individuals and speak to individuals. So, I had chat with Pavan Davaluri, who’s like the top of Home windows and Floor units from Microsoft. That was an off the document chat, however I can say it was good to have. That dialog to see what they’re desirous about AI PCs.

Hopefully we’ll have him on for one more part of the gadget podcast, [00:10:00] however I assume like CS is occurring. Like when information is occurring, these firms are taking it severely. We’re speaking to excessive stage individuals. So it appears like a CS of your, I would say, regardless of being so cursed early on,

Speaker 3: I assume,

Devindra: yeah, like stuff, it feels respectable and actual in a method that hasn’t for the previous couple of years.

However I imply, for

Cherlynn: you, possibly two a part of it’s the return to the bodily. Sure. Proper, as a result of it has been some time. And I believe that my common sense is that curiosity in CES may need waned. I believe this yr too you already know, we have, we have had completely different observations about exhibits from the current years and this yr feels much more like it’s one thing you would, it is like commoditizing issues for the sake of commoditizing issues a bit of bit and greater than ever really.

And it is very very similar to the Radio Shack present a bit of bit. However you already know, I might say, I do not wish to give away what we’re engaged on. So I might say like, we’re, Come to Engadget. com come to our social media channels the place we have lots of movies going up We have really are bringing again our youtube channel for a bit of bit And the stay weblog we I’m in [00:11:00] stay weblog hell daily for a bit of bit however it’s a enjoyable time as a result of stay blogs permit me to be a bit extra I believe private with our viewers Which is enjoyable like this podcast However I do wish to shout out wish to your level like amd and intel Each have made their bulletins as of the time.

We’re recording this however We nonetheless do not know technically what NVIDIA goes to announce. And Nvidia has one of many, I wanna say essentially the most hyped keynotes or speeches, this CES mm-hmm . What are you considering that they will do for CES?

Devindra: I imply, for the keynote, they usually hype up their AI initiatives or robotics initiatives.

And actually, issues that we do not usually report information on as a result of it is type of pie within the sky stuff that can solely exist for a automotive producers or one thing. They do not actually contact shoppers. We are going to ultimately hear, probably, in regards to the new GeForce RTX GPUs. Perhaps not tonight, however I’ve sense like someday this week, NVIDIA will make that announcement.

And that’s the factor individuals are actually ready to see. And I believe AMD sensed {that a} bit too. They briefly teased some details about the RDNA 4 [00:12:00] GPUs. Yeah, AMD additionally teased their RX 9070 GPUs. And that is fascinating too, simply the identify is fascinating. As a result of you already know, AMD’s used to observe a totally completely different Radeon naming scheme.

Now they’re type of aligning with what NVIDIA’s doing. So, this Radeon RX 9070 will probably be akin to no matter NVIDIA declares as a 5070 video card. Okay. So, it ought to make buying a bit of simpler. So there’s that. The RDNA 4 expertise goes to have AI upscaling, which is a factor we have knocked AMD towards earlier than.

As a result of their constancy impacts an excellent decision for stuff. However simply could not compete with NVIDIA NVIDIA’s DLSS, in order that they’re gonna have a solution to that. However once more, identical to, transient teases the information put up I wrote is just like the naked minimal we will even write as a result of they did not have a lot info.

They’re identical to, yeah, we could have new video playing cards, we could have new

Cherlynn: graphics. Is it claiming a spot,

Devindra: proper? Like, kinda? Yeah. Principally. Whereas I believe NVIDIA’s gonna come right here and exhibit new {hardware}, new precise issues, so. We will see.

Cherlynn: Yeah.

Devindra: And I wish to do possibly one or two [00:13:00] extra of those episodes, identical to recapping the place we’re Oh, all through the present?

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, we’re utilizing the DJI mic 2, or mic mini, so we will like sit down and document anyplace. Yep. We’re at our breakfast nook proper now. In

Cherlynn: the lodge.

Devindra: Yeah. And possibly you will hear extra ambient noise than regular, however it, it is a actually good strategy to have conversations. Yeah, it is quick. We hope to have some interviews from of us up quickly too.

With different

Cherlynn: members of the staff. You may hear extra than simply the 2 of us. I believe, I promise you all of them sound wonderful and wonderful. I am making an attempt to consider like, whether or not there’s anything that is of be aware within the information that we have seen thus far, as a result of to your level, proper, CES is in full swing, actually. And we have been

Devindra: like, headstabbed.

Similar to, a lot stuff. Sherilyn’s been managing a lot of the like, sensible stuff and the scheduling stuff. Yeah, I’ve had like a pile of embargoes. All of us, like, all of the staff

Cherlynn: has had piles of embargoes, which is like, it’s, like, to your level, type of a return to kind in that sense, but in addition appears like we have been masking this endlessly each CES.

We noticed a couple of I do not know. A lot of AI that [00:14:00] does not actually must be AI. We noticed lots of pet tech. We noticed lots of good house. Man, ship us your ideas, actually, as far as we’re chugging alongside the present. Podcast at Engadget. com can be an ideal place to drop them. Oh my gosh LG’s bought all these bizarre merchandise that I believe we talked about even forward of coming to CES.

The place like, sure it is slapdick 2070 inch display on a microwave, however then not too long ago we came upon what, it was a projector that appears like a stand fan or one thing? That is really

Devindra: type of cool. Yeah, we gotta get some video of that stuff.

Cherlynn: Yeah, so loads, loads to look out

Devindra: for. Of the tales we have produced, I do wish to shout out the stuff Sam and I did round Dell’s rebranding.

I wrote about Dell rebranding all of its PCs to sound extra like Apple, so take a look at that put up. However Sam had a very good rant referred to as Dell killing the XPS identify is an unforced error. And that entire story is wild as a result of Dell’s mainly obliterating all of its model names. They’re simply going to be Dell, Dell Professional and Dell Professional Max.

And to each of us, that sounds very Apple y. Wait, can I insert

Cherlynn: myself a bit of bit right here? As a result of it is not simply Dell, Dell Professional, Dell Professional Max. [00:15:00] After I learn each of your posts, it’s the sub tiers that is unnecessary. Like in the event that they simplified it really, it might simply be Dell, Dell Professional, Dell Professional Max. Positive. However no, it might be Dell, Dell Professional, after which below every, there is likely to be the premium label and the plus label.

So it might be the Dell Professional Plus. Yep. However versus the Dell non professional premium. So the Dell premium remains to be worse than the Dell Professional Plus?

Devindra: Sure.

Cherlynn: My goodness. What? And then you definitely throw within the numbers. There’s numbers. They’re coming again. A number of the numbers

Devindra: are coming again. The desktops are type of ridiculous as a result of on the occasion Sam and I have been at, they confirmed off The Dell Professional Max Micro and the Dell Professional Max Mini, which you may have the identical identify inside your identify.

You’re conflicting what this machine really is, and I discover that to be utterly ridiculous. So, take a look at Sam and my rant about that factor. I additionally did a video up on YouTube, and for as soon as, the YouTube commentators appear to be on our aspect. Sure, they’re proper.

Cherlynn: They’re proper. We’re proper, and Dell [00:16:00] will not be proper.

And so I’m glad you pointed it out. It appeared like lots of people resonated with that story on our aspect as nicely. It is an entire

Devindra: factor. And I’ll say I do not miss just like the, I do not miss lots of the manufacturers like Inspiron and no matter, however it’s extra like XPS. Eliminating XPS looks like a mistake. Falling within the footsteps of Apple looks like a very weak transfer.

Cherlynn: Of all of the issues to do as a result of look, I coated HP’s pivot to 1 model as nicely when that occurred final yr. And HP had sense to only, after they say simplify, they imply. Simplify to their very own model. In order that they did Omnibook, proper? Which isn’t Professional Max. Positive. It is their very own identify. For Dell to inform you that they don’t seem to be copying Apple, and I am not saying they did say that to you, however like, they roughly advised that these are trade phrases.

They did say that

Speaker 3: to me. However

Cherlynn: like, if HP can achieve this with out invoking the phrases Professional and Max, why cannot you, Dell?

Devindra: That is mainly what I requested Michael Dell, the CEO of Dell, at this occasion the place Dell. com. He was there to announce this entire factor they usually have been asking [00:17:00] questions from the viewers. So yeah, I shot my hand up and I used to be like, my direct query to him was, what does Dell have to achieve by copying Apple?

And Michael Dell didn’t look too happy.

Cherlynn: After all he did. He

Devindra: I imply for him too, it is like, oh, now my names are all Dell, Dell, Dell. So it is like higher for him and his ego. Yeah, yeah, his

Cherlynn: identify, yeah, yeah. And I

Devindra: really feel like that could be a part of it, however I’ve talked to lots of people at Dell, like Different individuals, individuals working throughout the PC design stuff and no one was enthusiastic about this variation.

After all

Speaker 3: not, why? As a result of

Devindra: their infants are all gone. Just like the individuals who work on Inspiron and Precision and all the things, the manufacturers they dedicate their lives to are gone. And now they should stay with these new manufacturers and I do not know if individuals are going to be as excited. So anyway, that is going to be an extended ongoing story.

Take a look at our protection in all of its many varieties. I believe that is going to be one of many huge takeaways from the CS. Del form of, simply taking pictures itself within the foot right here. And no one appears to love it besides Del, besides Michael Del.

Cherlynn: Yeah. I wish to rapidly shout out that the Samsung press convention simply wrapped and we realized two issues of be aware.

One, that the [00:18:00] Bali rolling robotic goes to truly retail this yr, they are saying. However they did say that final yr too. After which we do not know a value but. We simply know it will be the primary half of the yr is what they mentioned on stage. After which the second factor is that they introduced the dates of Galaxy Unpacked.

It’s going to occur? January twenty second. So thanks rather a lot, Samsung, as a result of proper after CES, a few of us will probably be heading straight into preparation for Samsung Galaxy S8. Let

Devindra: Cherlynn take a break. That is the message of this yr. By no means,

Cherlynn: by no means taking place. Alright, we

Devindra: will, we’ll be again with extra updates about CES. Drop us an e-mail, of us, podcastinggadget.

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Cherlynn: music suggestions! Oh

Devindra: yeah, possibly we must always simply open up a playlist and have individuals add songs to it. Anyway, we’re out of us, thanks.

Cherlynn: Bye!